Sufism and Cannabis

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Presto Kensho
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Sufism and Cannabis

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutb_ad-D%C4%ABn_Haydar

This Sufi teacher said that cannabis brought him closer to God. Sufism has used cannabis ritualistically ever since, just like Hindus do in worship of Shiva.
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https://www.lamota.org/en/blog/when-has ... nnect-god/

This is an interesting article. Throughout the Islamic world, hashish use is common at Sufi shrines, much like how cannabis use for spiritual purposes is common for devotees of Lord Shiva, as well in tantric Buddhism and Taoism. One can be abstinent from cannabis while still learning about the history of its religious use.
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I read both articles.

Although marijuana can be an emotionally addictive drug with quite a few unpleasant withdrawal symptoms, it can be consumed by those seeking some sort of Spiritual realization, although this generally just keeps the user in a state of singular motion, not very much advancing in Spiritual life if they don't turn to other means of advancement, such as those prescribed in the Revealed Scriptures and taught by Spiritual Masters. The only reason anyone would get a Spiritual high off of cannabis is because of the euphoric and mind altering aspects of it, which can bring about aimible feelings towards other people, which can lead to Loving-connections, and the Supreme Love is Allah. But drug use including marijuana is generally condemned or at least frowned upon and asked to be avoided by most religious Teachers, because the Spiritual Path is difficult, and one must have the most serious mind while walking it. It is difficult to practice celibacy, perfect morality, chastity, constant ritualistic devotion, daily prayers, and meditation as well as focused reading of the Scriptures daily as well as advanced discourses on the subjects while high on the substance for some, although it is totally possible, for example great personalities like Shiva have managed to do so, still we should not try to mimic great personalities in all of their affairs but simply follow their instructions. To live a life of good consequence and and perfect devotion to Allah, it is best to avoid the substance, although it is not a sin to consume it.
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I think people need to be concerned about the health problems that can be caused by long-term use of marijuana, as well as relationship problems, social problems, etc.
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There are many medical uses of marijuana. Autistic people, for example, can benefit from how it opens up neuropathways, allowing them to learn new, more positive behaviors and thinking patterns.
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Compared to some of the things the medical industry has decided to do with people's lives, marijuana as long as it's taken willingly and by choice can seem like a meager amount of trouble versus the chemicals the corporations have decided to pour on people experiencing Spiritual Awakening and an extension of mind who suffer without a guide and turn to doctors with an atheist non-Spiritual philosophy of materialism. But imagine that they started prescribing marinol (marijuana pills) for depression or anxiety and forced people to take the pills by governmental prescription. A forced high. Most people know what a marijuana high feels like, sometimes it can be out of place. Sometimes it can bring someone to make the wrong choices by inhibiting their connection to their morals. It can cause euphoria though, and get people to laugh. But imagine if that were forced on people after the drug became legal and people were prescribed it "medicinally." There are corporations holding countries hostage by forcing them to push certain drugs to people who don't understand how to deal with psychic phenomena, the unseen and influences by negative entities in that world, and bring down the Spiritual side of people because they want people want to be concerned with money and matter, not Spirit and God. But one cannot serve two masters. Marijuana in itself is not a sin, Bob Marley smoked it and sang about God. But if people take it they need to take it in freedom, and it needs to be kept out of the industry of the cruel beast of Mammon, otherwise it can become a big problem. If one wants to develop Spiritually while smoking a lot of marijuana, they should turn to the Rastafarian Faith, and either way explore any and all other Spiritual Paths, for God always saves. What I have noticed, however, throughout my entire life exploring the Faiths of Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Hare Krishna, Sikhism, Jainism, Judaism, and Taoism is that people make the most strides, expansions towards Enlightenment, and devotion to the Lord without deviance, when they are sober and not under the influence of highly mind altering substances. As Mormons and Hare Krishnas we even try to avoid coffee. But even Shiva has a pastime of smoking marijuana and staying the perfect Vaishnava. But are you Shiva, able to annihilate the entire Universe in a Peaceful fire at the end of it's dissolution? It is better for us not to imitate the things the Great Personalities do, but simply to follow their instructions, even if we are their Emanations, cent percent, for the respectful good of mankind.

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You might find these articles by Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev useful...

https://www.speakingtree.in/article/you ... -same-time

As a yogi, I am not against pleasure. I am only against limited pleasures. The human need for intoxication is understandable. Several years ago, an Israeli scientist discovered that there are cannabis receptors in the human brain. This means that every individual is biologically equipped for intoxication! Since there was never any time when humanity was collectively consuming cannabis, this means that we are capable of producing our own narcotic and consuming it too. Hence, the yogic description of the innermost human core as the ‘anandamayakosha,’ the bliss body. Once you access this dimension, you are effortlessly stoned, with no side effects whatsoever!

If your alertness and intelligence are not compromised, inebriation is a great way to be. Another word for this condition is simply meditation. Instead of getting drunk, if people meditated, they could be stoned and alert at the same time.

They would also turn phenomenally productive because nothing would feel burdensome any more. The reason people want to get drunk every weekend is that they want to shed the burdens of the week. If they tried just a little meditation, they could stay drunk all week long! ~ Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev

https://completewellbeing.com/article/the-real-high/
The very nature of the spiritual experience is such that whenever you explode into a different dimension of energy, the first thing that happens to you is, suddenly you have enhanced capabilities. But the effect of a drug is just the reverse; whenever it gives you some experience, it reduces your mental capability.

Once Ram Dass travelled to India. He visited Neem Karoli Baba, who is a mystic, a worshipper of Hanuman and a tantric of enormous capabilities. Ram Dass was a hard core LSD user then and could pop two or three LSDs in a day. So he came to this yogi and said, “I got some real stuff from heaven. You take this, everything that is worth knowing opens up. Do you know something about this?” Neem Karoli Baba asked, “What is that? Show me.” So Ram Dass gave him a small quantity. Baba said, “How many do you have? Show me.” Ram Dass had enough to last many months. Baba said, “Give it all to me.” So Ram Dass gave a handful of LSD.

Baba just popped and swallowed them and sat there and carried on with whatever he was doing. Ram Dass was sitting there and hoping that the man would explode and die now. But Baba did not show any signs of having taken LSD. He just continued, just to demonstrate to Ram Dass that he was wasting his life on some stupid stuff and it was not going to take him across.

All the stuff that you need to remain calm or peaceful is available in your body.

Now if you cultivate it properly and you keep it on, you can be stoned all the time without harming your system, without shrinking your brain. All that you need to remain calm, to remain in an extreme sense of pleasure all the time is available to every human being. You just have to explore your own system a little more, that is all. ~ Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev
Wholesome virtuous behavior progressively leads to the foremost.~ Buddha AN 10.1

If you do right, irrespective of what the other does, it will slow down the mind. ~ Rajini Menon
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